I caught back up with Eric Carlson, CRNA to discuss his recent retirement and advice he has for anesthesia providers still in the thick of it. Eric was interviewed by Kristin Lowrance, MSN, CRNA way back in 2015 for our podcast “From the Head of the Bed.” We just re-released that podcast as #28 – Can’t Intubate, Can’t Oxygenate (CICO) during stat C-section: a case study with Eric Carlson, CRNA on Anesthesia Guidebook. If you haven’t listened to it, it’s a harrowing story of how he managed this incredibly difficult airway and situation.
I wanted to catch back up with Eric following his retirement and today you’ll hear us reflect back on that podcast he & Kristin did several years ago. I was surprised by what he had to say about it.
We also take a look back on Eric’s career… what influenced his decision to go into anesthesia, how to look for your first job in anesthesia and what influences where you work throughout your career. Eric spent most of his career in a tertiary care facility with over 800 inpatient beds and 50 operating rooms. We touch on how challenging it can be to keep pace with a very demanding practice setting and walk through an article by Judy Thompson published in the AANA Journal in late 2020 titled “the certified registered nurse anesthetist as a late career practitioner” that looks at whether anesthesia providers should have mandatory retirement ages or cognitive testing as part of recredentialing. The link to that article is here:
Thompson, Judy. (2020). The certified registered nurse anesthetist as a late career practitioner. AANA Journal. Retrieved from: https://www.aana.com/docs/default-source/aana-journal-web-documents-1/thompson-r.pdf?sfvrsn=ea716ae2_4
We also talk about how Eric planned financially for retirement and tips for practicing anesthesia providers on how to get there. You’ll hear him discuss the last case he ever did and what it’s been like to step over to the other side… beyond the OR and into retirement.
Eric served as a preceptor for Kristin and me during our anesthesia training at Western Carolina University and we were always impressed with the depth of his knowledge, the sense of being anchored & unflappable that comes from deep competence, his willingness to teach and kindness as a preceptor. Eric is a remarkable human being and I think you’ll really enjoy hearing from him as we look back over his career and the advice he’d give to folks who are still in the thick of it.
This podcast is absolutely relevant for SRNAs or anesthesia residents. It can be profoundly helpful to hear from someone who is way down the road when you’re just getting started. It’s like seeking out the village elder when you’re preparing to begin your own journey & adventure. Listen to his stories. Hear this wisdom in his voice.
The following interview was posted by the North Carolina Association of Nurse Anesthetists in an email on 15 May 2015 to members titled “Spotlight on CRNAs” where a North Carolina CRNA is introduced at greater depth to the membership. Of note, Eric was interviewed by Dustin Degman, CRNA, who has also contributed to our podcast in the Combat Trauma Anesthesia series. In the interview, Dustin talks with Eric about his experience with the difficult airway case that he speaks to in the show featured on this page. This interview is posted with the permission of the NCANA.
Eric Carlson, CRNA
Interviewed by Dustin Degman, CRNA
You were recently on the podcast “From the Head of the Bed” where you explained a case that, I guess you could say, changed the way you practice today. You got to give your history, the beginning of the scenario, and there was a moment that you said “I had a difficult airway case”. I must tell you that I was completely locked-in at that moment. Nothing was going to distract me from listening to the next 25 minutes. What I want to ask is, what about that event changed you most, either as a person or in practice?
This is a challenging question to answer. I am sure the event changed me both as a person and a CRNA practitioner. At the time of the event, I was very early in my career and riding high in self confidence. The event changed my level of confidence and reinforced the significance of the risks we take as CRNAs performing our job every day. I had to actively work on rebuilding my confidence over the ensuing months, slowly, I was able to regain some of the loss, but for better or for worse, I probably did not get back to the level I had been. In the long run, I think it made me a better CRNA because I realized that bad things can occur in our line of work at any time and you always need to have a back-up plan in mind. Be prepared for the unexpected. As a person, the event may have made me a more humble individual and helped me realize that we are all susceptible to very challenging occurrences in our profession.
People, who know you, know that you are a wonderful provider. Your patients, colleagues, and the students really look up to you. Is there something you would like to share about being a great mentor?
I appreciate the feedback and compliment. I consider myself very fortunate to have made the decision to become a CRNA more than 30 years ago. We all have many forks in the road when we have to make a choice that could affect the rest of our lives. When I had been a nurse for five years, I began to consider what specialty I may want to pursue to fulfill my desire to have a career pathway I may enjoy for the long term versus bouncing from one subspecialty to another. As an ED nurse at a teaching hospital, I was exposed to CRNAs both directly helping out in difficult cases, and assisting/teaching new Anesthesiologist residents with different tasks in the ED. These episodes spurred my interest so I talked to the Chief CRNA and learned more about the profession. That conversation led to my decision to pursue becoming a CRNA versus my other consideration of becoming a flight nurse. To this day, it was one of the best decisions I ever made. I am very proud of my profession and can honestly say I still love my job after three decades. I still tell my students they have chosen one of the coolest careers they could ask for. I guess my enthusiasm spills over.
I find the NCANA to have some of the most motivated members I have ever met. I feel like they bring out the best in me and am so thankful for the work that they do for our profession. You have been involved with the board and different committees for the past 15 years. Why did you choose the government relations committee for this term?
I was involved with the NCANA in the early 2000s. I decided to take leave from the active involvement in order to devote time to my family and help my wife raise our two children. Now that my children are grown, I have the opportunity to participate in the NCANA once again. Overall, the NCANA is under appreciated by the majority of its members, the active members serving on the Board and Committees are doing a lot of work that most members are never aware of. These dedicated members are volunteering their time and efforts to help preserve our profession and our livelihoods. Major changes can take place in the laws and regulations that govern our profession. These changes could directly effect our day to day job description, if the NCANA is not keeping watch over the potential changes in the laws and regulations then who is? We could go to work one day and find that our scope of practice has been completely redefined and we would be at a loss to change it at that point. One role of the NCANA, and the primary role of the Government Relations Committee is to monitor and respond to activity of the North Carolina General Assembly, the Board of Nursing, and the Board of Medicine that may effect our profession. Being part of this committee has allowed me to learn more about the importance of its function.
Any sound advise you would like to pass on to students who are about to graduate and become members of the NCANA?
Yes, be proud of your accomplishments and your career choice! Be active in the NCANA, so you and others can continue to enjoy the many rewards of being a CRNA. Someone has to take the helm, if not you….then who?
In the past 30 years, you have witnessed significant changes. We now typically use the ultrasound for central line placement, new adjuncts in airway management, and a significant increase in monitoring, e.g. pulse oximetry. What was the biggest adjustment for you as a provider? And, was there anything that occurred during your practice where you said “This is really going to change the way we do anesthesia”?
When I first started anesthesia school, we had to fight for the one automated non-invasive blood pressure machine in the department. The practice of anesthesia was full of many risks at that time, and still is today. The primary change has been technology allowing us to identify a problem before it becomes a crisis. The first time I used a pulse oximeter, I was annoyed by the beeping. At the time, I had no idea how much technology would change the practice of anesthesia.
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